Jonathan Leeman wants us to be less American so that we might be more patriotic. If you don’t know how that’s possible, I asked Leeman, to explain himself and his new book, How the Nations Rage: Rethinking Faith and Politics in a Divided Age (Thomas Nelson).

A longtime elder at Capitol Hill Baptist Church in Washington, D.C., Leeman serves as editorial director for 9Marks. He’s earned a degree in political science, a master of science in political theory, and a PhD in political theology. And he tossed in a master of divinity as well. That means he’s not only one of my go-to experts on public policy but also on church polity. You may know him from his many writings on church membership and discipline, including The Church and the Surprising Offense of God’s Love.

And that’s just what we need in this confused day: leaders who understand politics but care more about the local church.