I’ve known a lot of great Bible teachers in my life. I’m not sure I’ve known a lot of great Bible memorizers. But it makes sense that having Scripture memorized—deeply engrained in our heads and hearts—would only make us better teachers.

In this conversation with Andy Davis, senior pastor of First Baptist Church of Durham, North, Carolina, I spoke with someone who has memorized 43 books of the Bible. He started with Ephesians, memorizing it while waiting for a bus in Kenya. When I talked to him, he was working on Joel. In our conversation, Davis not only makes a good case for memorizing the Scriptures, he also challenges common excuses for not memorizing, tells us where to start, and shares how to do it. His booklet An Approach to Extended Memorization Scripture is available as an eBook on Amazon.

Related: U-Turn in North Carolina: A Story of Church Reform by S. Craig Sanders