Before long another natural or man-made disaster will dominate cable news. After the latest Moore we forget the last Joplin, after the latest Newtown we forget the last Aurora. Though we’ll soon forget about those still suffering, we’ll probably long remember the eruption of anger over attempts to reckon with disaster according to God’s Word. But as the online debate continues, Christians in the Oklahoma City area will need both patient endurance to serve the homeless and also steadfast hope to proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ amid the destruction.

In the latest edition of Going Deeper with TGC, Sam Storms talks with Mark Mellinger and me about the ongoing Moore recovery, ways Christians can still help, and his hope that out of the rubble will come spiritual revival. Storms, lead pastor for preaching and vision at Bridgeway Church in Oklahoma City, discusses the twin truths we struggle to reconcile: alongside unimaginable grief and sorrow, we have unshakable confidence in God’s goodness and sovereignty.

As Storms testifies through the story of an Acts 29 pastor who lost his home in the Moore tornado, such tragedies reveal where our faith is fixed. Only in the arms of our heavenly Father are we truly safe. Romans 8 is not just words. Storms asks that we join him in praying for his neighbors that they would say, “I have to have something more solid and stable to hang on to. I need the truth of who God is, and that no matter what comes sweeping down the plains, nothing is going to separate me from the love of God in Christ.”

As the podcast continues, The Gospel Project managing editor Trevin Wax talks with Afshin Ziafat, lead pastor of Providence Church in Frisco, Texas, about being a faithful shepherd who leads by example. But as Ziafat explains, such faithful shepherding requires hard decisions, such as telling an elder he is not qualified to serve and telling a man he cannot remarry after divorcing his wife. As the podcast concludes, Mark and I talk about the dozens of interviews he recorded at TGC13 and the archive of conference talks recently released.

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